Chiropractic Headed to Assimilation By Medicine

November 16, 2009 · Filed Under Main Content 

bjChiropractic as a separate and distinct profession is about to be lost forever. The ACA and the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners are working on plans to create certification for an “expanded practice chiropractic physician” that apparently includes prescribing and administering drugs.

The trial run in New Mexico was a success and now it appears it is full steam ahead for the rest of the country.

The New Mexico Chiropractic Association and the New Mexico Board of Chiropractic Examiners in concert with the New Mexico Medical Board and the New Mexico Board of Pharmacy recently agreed to and passed legislation in New Mexico creating a new class of chiropractor called “Advanced Practice Chiropractic Physician”.

The designation, obtainable by attending six weekend seminars conducted by National University of Health Sciences, entails completing a 90-hour course, applying for credentialing and then testing. Once these steps are completed the chiropractor will receive Advanced Practice Certified (AP-C) status and may begin to practice the “newly learned advanced skills.” The cost is $2,100 for all six modules.

The designation allows the chiropractor to prescribe, administer and dispense homeopathic medicines, herbal medicines, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, glandular products, naturally derived substances, Protomorphogens (a Standard Process Trademark), live cell products, gerovital, amino acids, dietary supplements, foods for special dietary use, bioidentical hormones, sterile water, sterile saline, sarapin ( a High Chemical Company Trademark) or its generic, caffeine, procaine, oxygen, epinephrine and vapocoolants. Additional drugs can be used upon approval by the board of pharmacy and an expanded formulary is currently being developed.

Routes of administration are oral, topical, rectal, as well as intravenous (IV) and intramuscular (IM) injection.

The bill adds to the definition of chiropractic in New Mexico the following statement, among others: “the administering of a drug by injection by a certified advance practice chiropractic physician”.

This officially marks the end of chiropractic as a drugless health profession.

A New Mexico Chiropractic Association spokesperson has stated, “This (sic) the first time a bill has succeeded in any state of the USA that so advances our professional scope of practice. We will hope that our actions can serve as a template to other states”.

At the American Chiropractic Association’s (ACA) House of Delegates (HOD) meeting held during its annual meeting Sept. 23-26 in Dallas, the ACA passed resolutions “calling for the creation of a database of doctors of chiropractic with advanced degrees–which could be tapped to find potential candidates for positions in political, research and scientific environments where advanced degrees are normally required–and supporting the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners’ plan to create certification for an expanded practice chiropractic physician were also passed.”

So there you have it. The NBCE has a plan to roll this out (or something similar) nationwide, with the full support of the ACA.

We can stop this madness. But we need to organize. There is a plan in place to reclaim the chiropractic legacy and promote it to the public in a professional and credible manner. All we need is your support. Join now. Tomorrow will be too late!

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39 Responses to “Chiropractic Headed to Assimilation By Medicine”

  1. Scott Garber on November 16th, 2009 10:20 pm

    It’s sad to see Chiropractic coming to this. We will surely lose our identity and follow the path of Osteopathy if we don’t stop this. Injecting, prescribing, and pushing pills never was and never should be a part of Chiropractic. With that being said, I don’t care if someone chooses to go down that road, but it should NOT be called Chiropractic.

  2. Brandon Harshe on November 17th, 2009 9:28 am

    One of the big things at Parker right now is that people are enrolling in a nurse practitioner program to expand their scope in hopes of getting paid better by insurance companies.

    Honestly, our profession has sold out thanks to the ACA. Is the ICA ever going to speak up? Anyone?

    I actually do care if someone chooses to go down that road because they ARE calling it chiropractic. And I will call them out every time they do. This is beyond ridiculous.

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  4. Scott Garber on November 17th, 2009 7:26 pm

    As noted in my prior post it’s sad to see Chiropractic coming to this. We will surely lose our identity and follow the path of Osteopathy if we don’t stop this. Injecting, prescribing, and pushing pills never was and never should be a part of Chiropractic. With that being said, I don’t care if someone chooses to go down that road, but it should NOT be called Chiropractic. I say we fight like those before us to protect the sacred trust, that which is Chiropractic.

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  6. Devil's Advocate on November 18th, 2009 7:07 pm

    Sorry, but I don’t see what the problem is here. This does not give us the perogative to prescribe pharmaceutical drugs (Thank God), simply to dispense nutritional products – well within a wellness scope of practice. You may choose to obtain the designation or not – up to you.

    This is really a huge step forward for us, especially in this day and age. The all powerful adjustment does a world of good, but is a very, very small part of actually helping someone long term. Even BJ’s clinic was so loaded with rehab equipment that he only had room for a couple of adjusting tables. We, as a profession, have forgotten that.

    I would not be a fan of the designation encompassing any more than what is stated above, but I am perfectly content with the ability to involve healthy nutrition in our scope – as we do get much more education in this area than do MDs.

  7. Doc on November 18th, 2009 7:52 pm

    No, please do not follow Osteopathy and become a real physician following the broad facets of medicine. Please stay chiropractic only, please keep cracking backs and doling out herbals. Everyone wants to be a physician these days whether they went to medical school or not – PAs, DNPs, now chiros. Who are these all these people who do not want to practice what they went into, what they went to school to learn, and instead strive their hardest to become a mainstream physician?

  8. Vasco Valov on November 18th, 2009 8:52 pm

    The unfortunate part, as Brandon pointed out, is that those people are calling it Chiropractic due to the simple fact that that’s what they believe Chiropractic is. And who could blame them? A few courses in PT and nutrition with a couple instructors routing students to think along these lines is all it takes. How ridiculous is it that in Texas there is a “chiropractic” school that has a pharmacy on its premises so the students can have access to the best drugs? ABSURD! Where is the principle of ADIO? Why are so many of our brothers and sisters lost? Why do so many chiropractors not have the pride to use their hands to adjust and let the body do the healing? Why do we always look for outside-in treatment approaches to inside-out problems?

    Chiropractic has faced challenges since its birth in 1895 and has overcome them because of the legends on whose shoulders we stand (the Palmers, Sid Williams, Fred Barge, Jim Sigafoose, Richard Santo, etc.) We must carry the torch, for Chiropractic will always survive thanks to those chiropractors who adhere to its basic, fundamental principles.

  9. Kenneth Bryan, DC, CCWP on November 19th, 2009 7:49 am

    I am utterly shocked and embarrassed to know that my profession has such ignorance and insecurity allowing political motivation to infiltrate our sacred trust as practicioners of wellness. There can never be resolution when the first thought is dominated by external forces. Clearly our success with patients has nothing to do with artificial means…WAKE UP CHIROPRACTORS AND UNDERSTAND THE INEVITABILITY OF CRISIS IN THE WORLD IF THE ALLOPATHIC PARADIGM CONTINUES TO RULE THE MINDS OF THE MASSES. ONE DAY THE SHEEP WILL HAVE NO MORE FOOD, WHAT WILL THE SHEEPHERDER DO THEN I ASK…

  10. John Simms on November 19th, 2009 7:55 am

    Sadly, it actually IS chiropractic. Chiropractic is not only manipulation of the spine. We have been administering nutritional supplements and prescribing physical therapy since the very early years of chiropractic. There is a small minority of the profession who wants to keep it “adjusting only.”
    Anything necessary to help the body heal itself is what we should do as doctors and physicians. Noone should be chronically masking symptoms, but in many states we can’t even legally DISCUSS taking a patient off of an over the counter medication.
    Most of us are protecting the sacred trust of chiropractic… as well as protecting the future of our profession. If YOU choose to not practice to a full scope, that is YOUR choice. You have no right or mandate to try to keep those of us who choose to practice differently from moving forward into modern chiropractic care.

    We will not “lose our identity”, that is a very weak argument that assumes assimilation into medicine is equivalent to chiropractic dissapearing. There are hundreds of DCs (who are not “just pain docs”) who are working in the modern health care environment… and they are bringing the benefits of chiropractic care and the chiropractic lifestyle INTO the world of modern medicine.

    We have tried to get the message out there for a long time… and managed to survive because of what we bring to the table. But we only have about 5-8% of people utilizing us… this isn’t only because we are “oppressed by the AMA” or “sold out by the ACA”… it is because our limited scope and the outdated and archaic explanations we use to sell chiropractic are not accepted.

    I fight every day for chiropractic and I have a very strong chiropractic philosophy… in fact, it is so strong, that I have absolutely no problem with functional medicine, acupuncture, or even limited pharm rights to include injectables (vitamin c? B-12?). My message to my patients still is about chiropractic first, drugs second, surgery last.

    Perhaps this should not be called “chiropractic”. Maybe we do need to legally split the profession between those who only perform spinal hygiene and those who are full scope physicians. How many of you would be willing to protect your view of chiropractic if you remain limited scope, but have to shed the title of doctor?

  11. james sigafoose on November 19th, 2009 10:48 am

    It would be a dream come true, if the people who wish to practice psuedo medicine, and therapy is included, to split, and diesignate themselves as different. They may wish to compete with the many medicos, and how that would emphasize, the practice of chiropractic. Chiropractic has one purpose and that being maximum expression of innate thru matter. Knowing innate knows how and when to do the necessary. Nutritionists, dentists, therapists, barbers, shoe salemen and chicken pluckers can be referred to, while we adjust specific vertebrae, for a greater expression of lfe.

  12. Eddie on November 19th, 2009 11:55 am

    It is about time. It is a tiering, like an RN vs. an ARNP. For those who want to be an RN, be an RN, for those who want to advance their knowledge and skill, become more advanced. To much fear based manipulation.

  13. Doc on November 19th, 2009 12:29 pm

    Strangely, my last post didn’t make it past the moderators, we’ll see if this one gets censored.

    First of all, herbal supplements and other such nutritionals ARE drugs, hence the term nutriceuticals. Essentially chiros have been “prescribing” since their beginnings. Either chiros fail to recognize that herbals are medicines or else they do not know.

    Secondly, to Devil’s Advocate, MDs and DOs receive just as much nutritional education as chiros do. In fact, we receive so much that we know that the disease prevention that vaccines provide in large out-weighs the use of the various chemicals currently in vaccines.

    Thirdly, other than the purists who want to keep with spinal manipulation, it sounds like the majority of you chiros wish you would have gone to an Osteopathic school.

  14. Doc on November 19th, 2009 12:31 pm

    Btw, John Simms – chiropractic IS limited scope. True chiropractic doesn’t delve into medicines, injections, and advanced procedures. If you want these things, then you are wanting a different profession.

    Why did you go to chiropractic school?

  15. Joel on November 19th, 2009 12:48 pm

    First of all, herbals ARE drugs, and chiros have been prescribing drugs for years and years. Herbals are just a form of less researched, less understood drugs. Hence the name nutriceuticals. Chiros are either in denial that herbals are medicines, or else don’t see that.

    Secondly, Devil’s advocate, MDs and DOs receive just as much education about nutrition as DCs. In fact, we know that the benefits of disease prevention and the eradication of global killers due to vaccination is more important than the minimal nutritional deficits of some of the vaccine ingredients.

    Thirdly, other that those chiros who want to practice chiropractic and stay away from prescribing, injectons, surgeries, and other procedures…it sounds like most Chiros wish they would have gone to an Osteopathic medical school.

  16. Tom on November 19th, 2009 9:34 pm

    Doc/Joel of November 19th. I believe I saw course curriculum for medical schools and what the CCe mandates as far as hours for classes on nutrition and chiropractors had more class hours on nutrition. However, medical students had more hours memorizing the names of pharmaceuticals. As for the concept of administering herbals. Historically you may find that people who dealt with nature and natural things would administer herbal “remedies”. Until just a few decades ago, these were nonregulated and could be made by an experienced person in his/her on backyard. Then within the past 20 years and probably more recently the AMA and the pharmaceutical companies wanted to grab hold of the almighty dollar they were losing to herbal remedies and over the counter vitamins and created a fear campaign saying these items needed to be regulated and prescribed by a physician. In a very recent past they coined the term “nutriceuticals” and have been using it more and more in mainsteam media to convince the public that these are pharmaceuticals and that is why you should see your physician for these because physicians are so much smarter about administering pharmaceuticals to improve your health. (Oh wait, JAMA study shows what? 200,000 or more people die from prescribed meds. Yet, no study showing that number from sef prescribed vitamins or herbal supplements, at least not in those numbers). Remedies have always had the purpose of improving symptoms and the wellbeing of a person. Pharmaceuticals are categories of drugs. Some drugs may have been created with good intention to perform as a remedy. However, the term drug covers a broad category of chemicals, some intended for good to assist the body in reaching homeostasis, others with a deliberate intent to work against homeostasis. Many physical processes are the body’s response and adaptation to environmental exposures (both internal and external environments. Pharmaceuticals lately are being designed to interrupt a body’s natural response mechanism in which it would appear that homeostasis is not the intended outcome, solely an abscence of symptoms or an introduction of new symptoms that overides the old ones. “Let food be your medicine.” Keep it as nature provides it and we can’t go wrong. Man steps into the equation and always seems to make things a little worse.

  17. A.J. on November 19th, 2009 11:01 pm

    This is our OWN doing. Much like other posters, we do kinda push “drugs”. Everything that we put into our system elicit a biochemical response. We have a list of herbs for every condition known to man. Granted, from the things we learned in school, it’s NOT drug pushing. But in the eye of the patient: “Let me get this straight, I shouldn’t be taking a bunch of pills, but you just recommended more pills than I was already taking”? How do we effectively separate ourselves?

    Next is the FEAR factor. The current recession does not make Chiropractic exempt. Everyone is being affected by it. Throw in how Insurance companies view us as a whole based on the scams of our brothers in the 80’s and 90’s and constant action against us my the medical community; people are scared. I’ve even talked to long-time D.C.’s and professors at various schools who are now entertaining offers to get more “education”. This not being able to agree stuff is killing us. We constantly keep saying that “Chiropractic ain’t going nowhere, SOMEONE will take care of it”. Well based on the back-door approach by states like NM, someone needs to do something.

  18. Mitzi on November 23rd, 2009 12:13 pm

    This is a great post! Who’s blog is this? I printed it out and shared with my chiropractic history class and gave them all the assignment of writing a letter to voice their opinions to those people who are making these bad choices for our profession. It’s an excercise that we should all do!

  19. Joel on November 23rd, 2009 6:22 pm

    “Rememdy” is a term that should remain attached to the wive’s tales of old. Herbals have pharmaceutical properties, as do mainstream drugs in the pharmaceutical industry. The main difference is that drugs are targeted to achieve a physiologic response that has been studied in depth to minimize the risk to benefit ratio. Herbals DO change the body’s chemistry and anyone who says they are less dangerous than drugs should not ever have the right to prescribe anything. The difference is that naturalistic herbal remedies used far too often have not been studied in depth. Many have not been studied at all. Complex combinations of non-FDA regulated herbals sold by a plethora of non-standardized herbal companies hoping to make a buck off of gullible public are being sold out of the offices of many alternative medicine providers. This practice is a blatant display of non-evidence based medicine that flourishes in chiropractic.
    “Natural” does NOT mean safe, and it ludicrous for a self-professing medical professional to say that. Eating some foxglove plant must be OK, because if you “keep it as nature, you can’t go wrong”, right?

  20. Chiropractic Works on November 24th, 2009 7:27 pm

    I just don’t get it. Please help me understand what business we have prescribing anything, whether it be taking people off drugs, or giving them herbals? Chiropractic never was about that. A chair is a chair, a couch is a couch, a sofa is a sofa, and they are all good for sitting. However, a chair will never be a sofa and you’ll never convince Joe Public it is. Why not do what Chirpractors do, adjust (not manipulate) and send them off to other clinics etc for all the other sizzle.

  21. Bnards, DC on December 1st, 2009 5:24 pm

    Why would anyone ever administer drugs when all they have to do is TOUCH someone to get them well?

    Chiropractors were given all we need to get sick people well.

    Chiropractic is already ADVANCED in it’s pure form.

  22. Richard Doble Jr., D.C. on December 2nd, 2009 8:21 pm

    These D.C’s that want to treat disease and do things other than give an adjustment don’t get it. Chiropractic is NOT a natural therapy, it’s NOT the treatment of disease, they seem to think this is a scope of practice issue. Chiropractor’s work to correct a subluxation and INNATE does the healing. Chiropractor’s are NOT healers of other people. INNATE is the healer.I am not going to let the natural therapists take over chiropractic, I hope the other straight chiropractors feel the same way.

  23. Terry W. Todd, D.C., RT, RDMS on December 4th, 2009 2:28 pm

    Rage on my brothers and sisters. I have an extensive background in mainstream healthcare as a Rad tech and ultrasonograper. I am all for anything that helps folks get and or stay well. I don’t care what I am called as long as I am given the priviledge of practicing healing methods whether they be organic or inorganic. Besides the quality of medical practitioners has gone down in the U.S. thanks to this bickering about who is right and who is wrong. I still don’t get to do all the things I should be able to do since someone who knows nothing about Chiropractic is in charge of saying whether or not I should be paid by insurance or medicare.

  24. Marco J. La Starza, D.C. on December 4th, 2009 9:37 pm

    We need to Practice Chiro-Practic, Pure and principled Chiropractic. Lets do Chiropractic, not decompression, hot, cold, tens unit, ultrasound, muscle stim.

    Just do Chiropractic!

  25. BT Smarts on December 14th, 2009 11:09 pm

    In my opinion, there will be shortage of doctors, if chiropractor can move forward to prescribe drug, why not? a lot of chiropractor goes over sea to become MD mainly want to expand the scope of practice. I rather see a Chiropractor to play this role than a P.A or a nurse. If P.A or a nurse will play a role as a primary care provider, where will chiropractor go? you don’t have to prescribe medication, but you must have the power or the ability to do so in case your patient need it. Remember think big, you don’t have to prescribe, you must have the power to do so, you must leave room for other. Thank you

  26. Future Chiropractor on December 15th, 2009 12:08 pm

    Please look at the big picture. You will be happier to be who you are. If you can become a primary care provider, with all the power to prescribe drug. All patients under your care will be happier and in good shape. Why? because you don’t have to drug all of them, you only drug someone who needs it. and only you know better. Think if they go to a regular provider, they all will be drugged? Do you still want to have a nurse review your record? if yes, don’t call yourself a doctor, it should be changed to a spine technician? Thank you

  27. Chiropractic Pittsfield on December 24th, 2009 8:04 pm

    Future Chiropractor, if your in school and this is what your thinking now, you need to move on to another career. Please go back, read what you wrote, and tell me you are only joking? DRUGS STOP the bodies ability to innately self correct. Anything from the outside in, is not chiropractic. NO—–BODY should be drugged. Please don’t try to tell me that chiropractors should “prescribe” because we would only “drug people that need it”. That is so off… Good luck in your chiropractic future

  28. Paul Alexander, MSc, DC, FACO on December 25th, 2009 1:05 pm

    Are you guys out of your mind ??? this is an AMAZING thing thank GOD for NUHS, to pave the road for future DCs. Expanding scope of practice is a great thing, for the DCs that chose to work as Massage Therapists or Bone Crackers, be my guest, if Manipulation is your ONLY tool then that is your choice. FYI the world changed since BB Palmer. There is a role for Meds, for Surgery and yes also for Chiropractic Manipulation….just please don’t RUIN it for the rest of the DCs that chose to move FORWARD….and not remain in the dark ages…when DCs were against the “bacteria theory” and that Spinal Health is the way to go for EVERY Condition….Are you kidding me ??? As a DC, I applaude NM and NUHS, for moving the profession forward…


    Paul Alexander, MSc, DC, FACO
    Board Certified Chiropractic Orthopedist

  29. Paul Alexander, MSc, DC, FACO on December 25th, 2009 1:11 pm

    The Advance Clinical Practice MS Program is NOT as stated in the article…it is a 2 YEAR MSc Program, that is a hybrid between online learning, and attendance at NUHS.
    I wish more state boards will follow NM foot steps and that more DC colleges will offer the same type of program to graduates.
    Also, I wish there would be TWO distinct classes of DCs, set by the NBCE and CCEB (Canada) Straight and Mixers the straights will ONLY be allowed to Manipulate as they wish to do so…and the Mixers with MSc Degree, (and the Brains) can work with expanded scope of practice, looking at the WHOLE person, not just the spinal column.
    Dr. Paul Alexander, MSc, DC, FACO

  30. Joe Wood, D.C. on December 26th, 2009 1:20 pm

    As a profession we really do need to come together. The subluxation is the uniting force that many can agree upon. I would agree that interference between brain and body is what creates disease. If I have “stinking thinking” then that too is a subluxation because the thought pattern would interfere with innate’s perfect wisdom.

  31. Indychiro on December 27th, 2009 6:26 am

    I read some very strange responses here such as “chiropractic was never about pushing pills.” Some even reference BJ Palmer as expanding way beyond manipulation. Whatever the case, straight/hard-core chiropractors appear to treat chiropractic as a religion and claim it should remain pure to our founders, the Prophets! Let’s get real here. Look in the Yellow pages under ‘chiropractors.’ What do you see? A laundry list of conditions they treat. No reference to ‘subluxations’ or philosphy–just conditions people need treated such as back pain, headaches, sciatica, etc. So what if some chiropractors want to use drugs/injections. If it is safe and effective, then why not? I for one do not bow down to any human founder. Let’s move on and quit making chiropractic a religion. It’s embarrassing.

  32. Why Not? on January 6th, 2010 2:21 pm

    I have been a chiropractor for 10 years. Since I was in school, chiropractors have many adjustment techniques, and many ways of bizzare adjustment techniques coming out. In all, our profession lack of unity but full differences. There is alway internal warfare in Chiropractic profession. Let me share my experience a bit to all the peers here. I do not wish to gain simpathy, bring shame but to create awarness. I have been disrespected by medical doctor who sent my patient to PT when I referred my patient to that MD. I had people want to come to me for MVA treatment but their attorney told them to go to see a PT because PT is more acceptable in medical community, insurance industry and legal intity. Guess where the patient goes? PT. Then worse of all, my board accused me of overutilization where I treated patient about 2-3 months and my bill is about 1/4 of a PT’s bill if they would have been treated for the same condition. Over utilization? People get subluxation the rest of their life with or without trauma. That is how I perceive/or make believe when I was in chiropractic school. And, as a matter of fact, there are conservative chiropractors who treat patient without injury forever and usually their practice is successful not because they do better than other chiropractors but because they are able to sell chiroprctic philosophy. And worse of all, my peers do bill review of my bill because the insurance companies hired them “independent medical examiner?”. Most of the time, I got cut off about half of my bill and few of the time deny my bill totally. We deal with neuromuscular and subluxation most of the time. I was once believed that if we free the nerve irritation, then the muscle spasm will subside. Base on my experience for 10 years, most of the time it is not true at all. Too much adjustments lead to instability and guess what? More spasm. And, spinal manipulation without addressing the spasm and pain, will lead to more spasm and pain. This is when I refer my patients to see MD to get prescription for muscle relaxant or pain relievers. It is not good for both of us and the patient. You may lose patient because MD refer them to PT. And that same patient will never get the benefit of chiropractic treatment and will never seek chiropractor in the future. So, this is when I support that chiropractors may have choice of their own to prescribe basic medication along with chiropractic treatment. If we are not able to evlove through time, we will fall behind. I had been taught surgery is no good. But guess what, I had deviated septum. I just got surgery 3 weeks ago. I felt much better. The surgery went well. I breath better and sleep better. And all those time, I was loaded on Vicodin. Even with side effect, surgery will not be possible without anesthetic and pain reliever. But the outcome is what matter. So, why are we so stuck up by the idea of having minor issue of prescribe some basic medications over the big picture? I see no orthodentist who straightening teeth that never use medication or surgery. So why are we so stuck with the word “chiro – hand”? I applaud New Mexico State that is able to push through of having chiropractor able to prescribe some remedy. This is a big break through for our profession. We are still way behind PT who became a doctor without the need to get referral. What is next? PT will be able to do spinal manipulation. Then no patient will come to us anymore. Nurse becomes nurse practition. Dentist used to be called quack become well respect in the medical commmunity. Even accupuncturist is able to have job in the hospital. Why so few chiropractor able to get in the hospital? I know that we have been too much philosophical about DD Palmer BJ Palmer but do not forget that we have a big student loan hanging on our neck and family to feed. I am happy that some of our peers are very successful seeing hundreds patients a day just doing adjustment. But how many out there? I have heard of my classmates being a car saleman, going back to medical school, and some even being seen as criminal or quack. It is sad but true. I hope that when we have more options as our tools in treating patientts, give us some respect, and increase income if not to all chiropractors our there but to me or others who are more liberal in their choices of treating patients. Is coccygeal adjustment more acceptable? Is other technique that is so bizzare in chiropractic acceptable? Why not some medication that is already approved by the FDA? Animals are able to adapt in shape, texture and color in its environment. Why not us?

  33. Move Forward Please on January 6th, 2010 7:10 pm

    I have a chiropractor friend who graduated in the 90s has become a manicurist, buffing ladies nails. Why Why Why? a lot of us loose respect, no jobs, don’t get pay well. Why can’t we move forward expand the scope of our practice. If one who wish to be traight, be straight, but don’t let other want to do more. A lot of work comp need our help, but we don’t get paid and the nurse review our record. If we don’t move forward more of us will become a manicurist, pizza delivery.

  34. Move Forward Please on January 6th, 2010 7:18 pm

    In addition, we should follow the New Mexico, why let our colleages go oversea for Med school to gain the DEA where NM can get it. Unversity of Bridgeport College of Chiropractic will start a Physcian Assistance program 2 years after Chiropractic school. Why they do that? why a physcian have to work under another physcian.

  35. Why Not? on January 6th, 2010 10:16 pm

    I saw one of our peers mention to another peer above that he needs to go back to school for other profession because he supports the idea of chiropractor able to prescribe some basic medication. Let me share my experience a bit more from my previous post. I love being a chiropractor. I mainly practice diversified and some Gunstead techniques. I love it when patient is making eurphoria sound loudly that could be heard to the front desk after I adjusted the upper cervical spine. Then there were times when the patients farted after I adjust the thoracic spine. We laughed and joked around. Then there are times that my patients told me I did a great job fixing the back and shoulder that have not been better over 10 years. But those times do not happen often. And when it happens, it is just a miracle. On a contrary, what happens to majority of the time when we don’t experience such events or compliment? DD Palmer did spinal manipulation and one of his patient – Mr. Harvey was able to regain his hearing. It was just one incident out of millions. Back in those time, who would know what was the fact surrounding the circumstance. Was it just buzz creating event? If not, then DD Palm must have been Christ reincarnaged. Why not now that we hear story like that? How many years have passed by. How many people in the world got CMT. Why don’t we hear such incident again? There are majority of patients that have neuromusculare problem that could be better helped with some prescriptions and adjustment from us at the same time. About 11 years ago when I was in my third year in Chiropractic school. One of my ear drum got blewn off from a classmate while we were in adjustment class. That perforation never has been fully healed. I plan to have it patch by my EENT that just had just operated my nose. I never look up to an MD like him before. I was alway skeptical and scare of surgery and worse since become a chiropractor. My nose surgery is not necessary but it would improve my quality of life to breath better and sleep better. I decided to do it because he is also a med professor at Havard Med School while working in the hospital. He did an outstanding job for the operation. He earns my trust. It was hallarious when I came across on my online reseach that there are chiropractors out there using balloon beads to fix deviated septum!!! My point is that Chiropractor can’t fix anything. We need to accept the fact out there that in order to progress forward. We need to acknowledge others so that they can ackwoledge us. We need to respect other, so that they can respect us. We need to accept others so that they can accept us. The more we descriminate others, the more we isolate ourselve. I always picture myself of working as a team in health profession by able to refer and being referred but it seems like these 10 years, I have been isolated. New Mexico will pave a way for Chiropractors to be a team player – jointing the main force of medical profession. I may be suggested from my peer to go back to school to become other professional? Please do not ignore the fact that time and money do play a role in life. If I have time and money, I would not be working at this time as a chiropractor or going back to school for anything else. I will just enjoy my life to the fullest. It is sad an pathetic to see ads for marketing seminars. That means that majority of chiropractors do not have enough patients to keep practice running. Then there are ads of technique seminars of all kind, so which one work for patients? Then record keeping seminars, why the Board give us problem so much that we have to sit down and do more paper works rather than treating the patients? Whereas, other medical profession just write a few sentence and never get into trouble with their documentation. I want to inform our State Board Members that no matter how neat, how long each chiropractor’s document, we will never gain respect from others. It is the quality of care and how we get along with other medical profession with an open mind that matter. If we can just accept that medication do work, then we may be accepted that chiropractic work. Afterall Newton’s opposite force law is still at work on Earth. The more we push, the more we will being pushed at equal force. While eastern philosophy of the ying and yang which are law of opposite attraction need not to be ignored. Combination of different things work better than one. The combination of allopathic medicine and hollistic care is a true art of healing.

  36. Linda Eisen on January 25th, 2010 7:28 am

    I’m really not surprised. After all, our chiropractic colleges are teaching almost everything but TIC. Those of us whose innate is tuned in will continue to walk and talk the talk. We must have schools that reflect the teachings of DD and BJ.

  37. Steven on February 1st, 2010 12:41 pm

    I for one agree with adding to the scope of practice. If you don’t want to do it, don’t. How I look at it as I am in the health business, not the just the adjusting business. I wish at times when a patient comes in with discogenic findins that I could prescribe a antinflammatory medication but cannot, so I send them to urgent care and they get a muscle relaxer instead. My point is that I am all for getting advanced credentials and putting the time in for it. Call it Advanced Physician training I don’t care, just having the extra ability to handle difficult cases would be nice.

  38. louis S. Brown D.C. on March 11th, 2010 3:38 pm

    IF Chiropractors do not have the right to prescribe medicine within ten years the profession will be phased out. A chiropractor will be a cash basis doctor. The pt s and nurse practicianers will be billing and getting payed by insurance companies and 90% of the chiropractors will have been personally and financially devastated because they were followers of a cult like philosophy. Im 100 percent right in my assertion. Want to see the proof , just call an insurance company and ask them what their benefits are for medicine and physical therapy and you will see that they pay for md s and pts but chiropractors are out. So I guess its time for Gerald Clums friends to get a taxi license.

  39. louis S. Brown D.C. on March 16th, 2010 3:38 pm

    I bet you 100 to 0ne that 999 out of 1000 osteopathic physicians dont regret for one minute having the right to prescribe meds and perform surgery. Oh, but we chiropractors do not want to comprimise our prescious philosophy. Give me a break. like I said before our profession is done in 10 years if we cant presribe meds. But these idiots like clum and Jackson dont get it. THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE THE DRUG COMPANIES DUH. So why would an INSURANCE/ DRUG COMPANY want chiropractors in the mix. C MON its all about money get your head ot of your ……

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